Verso – web browser built on top of the Servo web engine

What swift browser are you referring to?

The problem with these smaller webbrowsers is that you have nobody to sue if the browser turns out to leak your personal information or credentials etc. Therefore it is better to stick with browsers made by big corporations.

I'd like to see Swift adopted more on non-Apple operating systems, some of the recent GTK apps written in Swift are pretty cool.

Is there a good software engineering resource about the complexity of a web engine? I mean, we all know that is complex but what are the critical areas. Performance is one, compatibility another.

Hackernews and LWN render reasonably correctly in recent nightlies. Reddit does not.

In my tests, it's pretty unusable atm. Probably half of websites render very wrong and servo crashes nonstop.

I'm assuming that's in reference to these tests? https://wpt.fyi/results/?label=experimental&label=master&ali...

For comparison, there are 1.9 million tests

  Chrome passes 97.14%
  Edge passes 96.98
  Firefox passes 95.96
  Safari passes 95.22

I agree, no one should ever bother writing a new browser again, too risky. We should just use chrome forever

Maybe if Chromium was written in a memory-safe language there would be fewer zero-days?

I somewhat wonder—Firefox and Chrome are in a constant race to have the best JavaScript performance.

In general, the sites I want to browse use minimal JavaScript, prudently, if at all, just where it is strictly necessary to add little dynamic features. So, I don’t really care about JavaScript performance at all.

Optimization sometimes introduces additional complexity, which might open up the possibility of security holes (at least it seems to be the case to me, as a not-security-related programmer. I don’t know anything about security on a technical level, so I’m interested in other perspectives on this from people that actually work in those sorts of fields). I wonder if there’s room for a browser engine that ditches performance and just focuses on correctness and safety.

Rendering documents ought to not be computationally intensive, right? Advertisements of blazing fast JavaScript performance make me worry what corners have been cut.

There's a lot more to a browser than the JS engine. And in general, we would want all of the browsers JS engines to be essentially the same. I think starting with an existing engine is the most logical approach

it's five years old release. Sounds reasonable or you're expecting release to work all the way back to commodore 64?

I'd hypothesize it's due to https://github.com/versotile-org/verso/blob/07a88a86347c6763... and I thought maybe that was the lowest GH offered since they used an actual number versus "-latest" but no, GH does offer 12 https://docs.github.com/en/actions/using-github-hosted-runne...

Since they already went to the trouble of writing the GHA, I just downgraded and gave it a whirl and it both completed and the resulting artifact launched a-ok on my 12.7.6 x86_64: https://github.com/mdaniel/verso/actions/runs/10341237698/jo...

I'm posting this reply from that build, although I had to compose the answer over in FF because the textarea doesn't scroll :-D

There are two simple solutions to this:

1. Translate the word to another language.

2. Get creative and make up an original name. Mixed translations, word-bashing, not-actual-words, there's a lot of options!

Okay, so the latter isn't super easy but can be a lot of fun to do!

In this case, it seems like a play on the core dependency name than choosing the actual word of "verso": servo -> verso.

It's also the name of the most successful left-wing press in the English-speaking world:

https://www.versobooks.com

we are running out of words

in a 1000 years we'll be making this observation across the galactic internet.

Actually i prefer the dont', easy to comprehend and spell.

Scoop is nice because, like homebrew, it's easy for package creators to create their own “buckets” and distribute packages that way.

Ideally, winget would be the way to go, but I haven't had good luck with it. There are a number of limitations and it doesn't feel like a polished and curated repo. It just feels like a wrapper around chocolatey, which has its own problems.

Microsoft is the reason alternative package managers exist

Sounds like a Fallout New Vegas reference to me. Or maybe it is referencing what FNV was referencing?

I'm healthy at the moment and I'm still not sure I understand. Poetic perhaps, but a bit nonsensical.

Old world as in the past? Older technology? Older ideas? Bad ideas?

Blues, as in the musical genre? Or the feeling it conveys? Are we riffing on it here? Plays strongly suggests music, but the blues originated from specific cultural roots tied to the end of slavery (which is implied even further by 'old world blues').

New world, as in a better tomorrow, or something more akin to a new world order?

Hope I think I get.

Any code is legacy code once pushed upstream

What do you mean by legacy code here?

Care to explain?