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1/25-scale Cray C90 wristwatch

nabla9
15 replies
23h39m

This would be a great prop for time travel scifi movie.

Protagonist travels to 1991 and tries to convince scientist to help him. When asked for a proof, shows Gray C90 Wristwatch. "Our real computers are different, but I show you this because it does not pollute the timeline."

julianeon
12 replies
13h8m

My premise for a time travel movie is very simple.

1. Buy a book on probability. Work through the practice exercises.

2. Time travel back to a time before the laws of probability were invented or taken seriously. Pre-1600's would be a good guess.

3. Become a gambler.

4. With the riches that will soon be pouring into your pockets, acquire resources and transform history.

kqr
4 replies
12h27m

The issue with getting rich gambling is not knowing the probability, it's getting other people to continue paying you when you win large amounts and/or consistently.

Even in today's professional gambling establishments (financial markets) big winners are often cut off in the name of stability.

Cthulhu_
2 replies
11h42m

If you know the exact results (like Biff in Back to the Future), winning things like lotteries or horse race results multiple times will draw attention.

Actually, any kind of money hoarding - moreso than anyone else - will draw the attention. Which might be OK, of course, but if you make waves that are too big, you'll affect global policy and the course of (economic) history, and all your predictions may be off.

But, getting significant but non-controlling stakes in various successful stocks might work. You'd be like Warren Buffet, who I consider to be rich, but otherwise anonymous.

yard2010
0 replies
7h26m

In other words you end up in manure anyway.

mnw21cam
0 replies
1h13m

I actually loved the side-plot in "About Time" where the main character went back in time and changed something and then they had a different child and then had to undo their change.

wbl
0 replies
3h23m

Create life and casualty insurance!

ponector
1 replies
12h31m

Gambling is not the way to get rich.

To get really rich you need to aquire people, their time and productivity. Instead of probability you need means to get people's minds so with them you can conquer territories and establish kingdom to be really rich.

maxwell
0 replies
4h22m

It's always the accent that gives away time travellers.

Only real possibilities to avoid exile/asylum/imprisonment/execution for most of history would seem to hinge on predicting celestial events and making gunpowder, as Twain observed.

Karellen
1 replies
8h18m

3. Become a bookmaker/start a casino.

It's like being a gambler, but you get to stack the odds in your favour, deliberately, tell people you've done so, and have everyone be fine with that. If you use any knowledge of future events to stack a few odds a little more in your favor, no-one's going to know any different, and they'll attribute any weird variances in your income to the punters who all made poor bets, rather than to your mad odds-setting skills.

If you're going to gamble, always be the house. Only a complete moron can lose money that way.

technothrasher
0 replies
6h59m

I used to have a system to play the instant lottery multiple times a day and make every single ticket a winner... I owned a liquor store that sold tickets. We made enough on lottery sales to cover our payroll completely.

maxwell
0 replies
4h29m

Set where? Gambling was criminalized in the UK in 1541 and Europe's first legal gambling house didn't open until 1638.

Maybe they learn roulette strategy and show up right after Pascal invented the roulette wheel while he was trying to produce a perpetual motion machine (which could play a role in the time machine's tech itself too, which could resemble a "grande roue," visually akin to a g-force centrifuge or particle accelerator).

justsomehnguy
0 replies
12h33m

Travel to May 22, 2010.

Buy two large pizzas, cheese and 'supreme'.

Be earlier than that guy.

Credits.

cess11
0 replies
7h55m

5. Eventually get bludgeoned to death in a moist alleyway.

iancmceachern
1 replies
22h21m

This is refreshing. A premise for a time travel movie that is both accurate in terms of its portrait of computers, and it doesn't present basic time travel "oopsies" .

fentonc
0 replies
22h20m

I'm definitely packing this with me if I ever time travel.

jcun4128
6 replies
1d

The round displays are so cool

Uses an FPGA lol damn that's hardcore

Neywiny
5 replies
17h34m

FPGAs were an odd experience of learning for me. I started thinking they were hard to program. Then once I got halfway decent at simple things, I realized just how powerful they can be. So many things just run faster if not instantaneously if you optimize for FPGA. It's incredible. And with modern cheapy low end boards, I hope they get more popular in projects.

jcun4128
1 replies
12h31m

It is on my list of things to learn/have one (Orange Crab). I just haven't had a specific use yet. I know they use them for video out/camera for example. One day... so many things to learn/need time.

Neywiny
0 replies
7h44m

The orange crab looks nifty. My recommendation is to start very very simple. I'm not sure how this board integrates with the tools with their DFU mode and all that, but hopefully it allows the same quick iteration as JTAG. I think the next time if any you feel like using a microcontroller, try using the FPGA instead.

Foobar8568
1 replies
12h15m

FPGA is the only thing where I haven't seen any progress in my understanding after trying to get anywhere for hours and hours.

Neywiny
0 replies
7h51m

I get that. I think it took me a full semester in uni, and a summer internship, and maybe a few more months after that. It's hard to really break through. But once I did, it got a lot easier.

fentonc
0 replies
5h35m

FPGAs are particularly amazing for this sort of project where you would otherwise need a custom ASIC that could never be even remotely economical to build (see my 16-core Z80 laptop as another excellent example: http://www.chrisfenton.com/the-zedripper-part-1/). It lets you play 'fantasy computer architect.'

jandrese
4 replies
1d

The display shows a free-running simulation of Jupiter and 63 of its moons. For convenience, I just plot the X/Y coordinates of each moon in the ecliptic plane. The ephemerides come from the HORIZONS server that NASA operates, at a specified date and time. The J90 just dumps a new frame whenever the Teensy has pulled the previous one, so with a teensy (ha!) bit of calibration on the micro controller side, it would be pretty easy to have the frames dumped in ‘real time’, which, knowing the starting time and date, would allow you to not-at-all-easily infer the current time by looking at the positions of Jupiter’s moons.

Someone finally came up with a time system more difficult for people to use than Star Trek's stardates.

gravescale
0 replies
18h57m

But what is a Nixie Watch? How does it function? These are some questions worth exploring with this distinct and idiosyncratic wristwatch. So—let’s continue!

....

Without getting into the weeds too much, the watch harvests electricity from said battery; deploys that electricity through currents; then the currents are switched off-and-on at exact times via a circuit board—which governs the electrical currents.

While this certainly isn't "in the weeds", it does rather feel that this is not even within visual range of any plant at all.

At the risk of eating the Onion, though it's not inaccurate, it doesn't seem like a very useful description, to anyone, even if the reader has never encountered electricity. The juxtaposition of that sentence with the earlier airily unelaborated-upon "a Nixie tube is a cold cathode tube" is pure art.

eschneider
0 replies
22h40m

I dunno. For certain astronomy geeks, it's a completely intuitive clock.

burningChrome
3 replies
19h54m

My Dad was at the forefront of the computer revolution. He talked about sharing time with Seymour Cray at his computer lab at the University of Minnesota. He said whenever Cray would show up on campus, it was like Mick Jagger or some other rock star type. People would flock to be around him and ask him questions.

He then worked alongside Cray and sold many of his computers when they were both at Control Data. He has a ton of stories of how he would go into huge companies like 3M and tell them everything they knew about data storage was about to change. He said their jaws would drop when he gave them numbers on how much they were going to save by using the new Cray computers.

Its very cool and nostalgic to hear people doing these projects and keeping the early days of the computer revolution alive.

hypercube33
1 replies
7h20m

I really feel like Cray was a larger than life person with any of the stories I've read. It really makes me wonder why no one has made a docudrama movie about him...hmm

pklausler
0 replies
5h59m

I had the opportunity to work for Seymour Cray when he split off Cray Computer Corp. from Cray Research in ‘89 and a bunch of us moved to Colorado Springs. He was a fairly quiet and intense guy, always focused on whatever the “pacing item” of the project happened to be that day.

rhelz
0 replies
1h55m

How many tens of thousands of computer architects... how many millions of creative ideas....

..and how Few people actually came up with anything which really moved the needle.

superposeur
2 replies
21h51m

I love to imagine this kind of thing dug up by an alien civilization. That it displays the moons of Jupiter will be a fun puzzle and a source of wonder. “Obviously”, they will say, “these people must have worshipped Jupiter as a god and used the position of its moons to keep time.” But the pieces of the puzzle will never quite fit.

Who knows, maybe the Antikythera mechanism or the pyramids were a similarly ludicrous prank?

gravescale
1 replies
19h31m

"Some people (X'Grn'k et al) say it was a device used for humorous purposes. However, we consider that the presence of sacred etched silicon devices rules this hypothethis out. While crudely worked in that time, and despite the abundance of raw material on the planet, such silicon was in short supply and was central to the nascent Guptian Church movement. In addition, records suggest that the "geo"politics of the time, somewhere between 1980 and 2050, had silicon artisanry in constant high military demand (see the F'llr'wq Metaversity analysis on use of Phonic Screen Devices in Central-West Asian planet-surface warfare between 1945 and 2045), and if not inducted into the Guptian priesthood, a silicon carver could expect a so-called 99-6 life, a 105-Earth-hour cycle with 99 hours in a warfab and 6 hours to rest (J'Hrar et al). Furthermore, per a recent discovery of a transaction record thought likely to be payment for living volume at the Western-American coastal enclave, the artisan class appears to have little in the way of disposable resourcing. Thus, we consider it unlikely that an artisan of that period could have spared or even been allowed the resources or time for such levity."

fentonc
0 replies
19h12m

I am now adding "Silicon Carver" to my resume.

jerlam
2 replies
1d

I thought this was funny until the last picture, then I thought it was great.

andrelaszlo
1 replies
21h17m

Haha yeah, the "A 25:1 Replica of my wristwatch" image caption cracked me up.

eichin
0 replies
18h37m

reminds me of the thing in model railroading, where actual IRL rail equipment is referred to as "prototype" for the model

resource_waste
1 replies
23h19m

I am personally asking, because after decades of tech hobbies, I have a bit of a self awareness to 'fun':

I wonder what the fun part was, to them.

There is something rewarding about learning. There is something rewarding about completing things. There is something rewarding about showing other people.

I have the issue that everything I make should be practical. Either net me profit so I can make lots of money. Or useful to society so I can reduce the world's pain and increase pleasure, maybe this is a selfish way to fame.

I still get all 3 of those rewards I previously mentioned, but there is something different going on when I'm doing something for profit/others. Its a different feeling, not better/worse, just different. Better in some ways, worse in others.

fentonc
0 replies
22h54m

Author here! Most of my projects are kind of like this penny arcade comic (https://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2011/06/13/the-hippothala...) - I saw where something was not, and said "No. This will not do." It's 2024 and a supercomputer wrist watch is possible, so now it exists =)

mkhnews
1 replies
23h2m

liquid cooled ?

fsckboy
0 replies
16h10m

maybe if the designer was not resistant to proofing it

makapuf
1 replies
21h29m

Love the project, writing style and what is was made of (fpga, round lcd, Jupiter moons sim... so cool). But now I'm frustrated I can't see the display animation.

fentonc
0 replies
21h22m

It updates in pretty close to realtime (ie the simulator timestep is extremely close to the actual wall clock time required to compute the next timestep), so “animation” isn’t really the right word. If you let it go for a few hours it leaves fun star trails though!

demondemidi
1 replies
23h53m

His writing style cracks me up. What about battery life though?

fentonc
0 replies
22h53m

It's . . . not great.

throwaway112996
0 replies
13h3m

Very ugly obviously

theideaofcoffee
0 replies
1d

Will a future design include the external heat exchanger unit? Maybe belt attached? The SSD on the other wrist, perhaps? :)

I love to see these projects keeping the legacy of these old, great machines alive, if not running some fraction of unicos, at least aesthetically.

swerling
0 replies
19h55m

Thanks for the smile OP.

How soon until the 1/25-scale cray C90 gets as many MIPS as the original? Seems like the one he built is within shouting distance.

swayvil
0 replies
22h20m

That's so dang cool.

surfingdino
0 replies
21h51m

Does it run vim? :-)

m463
0 replies
1d

[a picture of a cray c90 computer]

A 25:1 Replica of my wristwatch

:)

gaudystead
0 replies
1d

I don't have anything to say, technical-wise, but this is absurd and I love it.

dvh
0 replies
1d

No upholstery?!

daniel_iversen
0 replies
18h9m

I honesty dream of having a real old Cray 1 as a couch :-) - those designs were just something we don’t see today, huh!?

bvan
0 replies
15h32m

Brilliant.

ad-astra
0 replies
23h37m

Absolutely amazing work!

TomMasz
0 replies
6h52m

The lead photo doesn't give you a good impression of the size of the thing, he saves that for the end.

Erikun
0 replies
21h19m

” But how do you tell the time?

With great difficulty.”

DaoVeles
0 replies
21h6m

So pointless it had to be done. Bravo!

AdamN
0 replies
3h43m

Best statement ever, "... using it should be as incomprehensible as my motivation for creating it in the first place!"