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adrr
20 replies
22h5m

Biggest missing feature for all these self hosted photo hosting is the lack of a real search. Being able to search for things like "beach at night" is a time saver instead of browsing through hundreds or thousands of photos. There are trained neural networks out there like https://github.com/openai/CLIP which are quite good.

kn100
8 replies
21h7m

Immich does exactly this with CLIP models, you can even customise which CLIP model it uses and it does a phenomenally good job, I'd personally say surpassing even Google Photos.

Jnr
3 replies
15h54m

Immich is awesome for this and many other things. Automatic facial recognition feature in immich is also great.

hgomersall
2 replies
15h37m

Is there a hosted service of Immich? I'm keen to try it but really don't want the faff of self hosting (happy to pay!).

bshaughn
0 replies
1h18m

Yes! Pikapods, which is a service to "self host" open source tools cheaply. I discovered and implemented this yesterday during lunch, took only a few minutes.

you get $5 in credit without entering a CC

https://www.pikapods.com/

Jnr
0 replies
14h47m

I don't think they offer hosted solution yet. I self host but donate to the project.

Not hard to set up, using docker compose. Just remember to set up automated backups, since there is no company taking care of that.

vincnetas
2 replies
15h26m

Immich warning from the home page :

"The project is under very active development. Expect bugs and changes. Do not use it as the only way to store your photos and videos!"

dz0ny
1 replies
14h33m

And PHP project run as extension on Nextcould is not? Cmon.

vincnetas
0 replies
9h17m

I have nothing agains Immich or cheering for Memories. Just stating what Immich is saying on their homepage.

ic3man5
0 replies
20h52m

I can 2nd Immich, nextcloud sync was just terrible for me also.

schainks
7 replies
21h2m

Google Photos can already do this pretty well. I use the feature daily without friction. Sometimes, but not always, it can even pull text from receipts I photograph, which is handy for expense reporting.

beezle
6 replies
20h59m

Makes me wonder whether Google is scanning all photos for text and making use of the data found.

KetoManx64
3 replies
20h16m

Considering you're not paying for the product.. yes, they totally are.

adrr
2 replies
17h58m

Google photos charges if you want more than 15GB of storage.

mavhc
1 replies
13h7m

Used to be infinite, until they got all the training data they needed

ChoGGi
0 replies
9h39m

It still is.. if you use a pixel 5.

lrem
0 replies
15h55m

Well, the GP comment already pointed out they do use it for Photos search. Generally if someone is paying for the disk space to store your data, that’s with some use in mind, at the very least serving it back.

Now, if you worry about some use you wouldn’t like… These are declared in open, if possibly too large, text in all the privacy policies. As a Googler I can tell you the internal bureaucracy for upholding these is dead serious. My product is used only by Google employees in their work duties, yet it took a couple months for us to get access to stats of our own UI. Something like an ads subsystem wanting to read a photos data field is likely to involve quarters of disputes with multiple lawyers.

izacus
0 replies
8h12m

You can literally search for text in photos so yes, they are.

dugite-code
1 replies
20h12m

Nextcloud has some neural network integrations so implementing something like that might be possible. The Memories app can already use the Recognize app for the smart tags for Photos.

Combining it with "The Search Page" app makes it a quite comfortable experience as is.

kzisme
0 replies
15h56m

How easy are these integrations to setup? I use straight up Nextcloud sync and while it works most of the time sometimes it's a little finnicky (when I don't have cell service or something like that)

menthe
15 replies
1d1h

For having used Memories on Nextcloud, and having spent hours trying to micro optimize the Nginx & PHP configuration, I can safely say that, while it is better than the Nextcloud’s native Photos app, this is absolutely nowhere near to Immich, Filerun, or surprisingly even a dumb SMB share (which doesn’t have thumbnail caching…!). I’ve really tried hard, as Immich’s support for external libraries was still in a PR at that time, and didn’t want to have two separate tools to grab files and grab photos.

A big part of the problem, it seems, is that, when you have a large library, and you jump/scroll to a specific year or so, it won’t cancel the previous page(s) worth of thumbnails loading. So as soon as you’re scrolling to search for something, it quickly accumulates hundreds of useless requests that quickly overload the PHP workers, and make everything crawl to a standstill.

I personally had to give up. When trying to grab photos from abroad for my shortly upcoming proposal, I’ve literally deleted Nextcloud/Memories, plopped Immich in docker compose, let it index/transcode/generate thumbnails from scratch against my “external library” (so Immich doesn’t duplicate the medias), and that ended up savings me days of buffering, and was able to find the nice pictures for the occasion!

(R740xd with 48 cores and 96TB SSD-backed ZFS pool)

radialapps
14 replies
1d1h

It's silly to micro optimize nginx / php when you have docker. Just use the Nextcloud Docker image or AIO and be done with it, everything is pre-optimized.

Thumbnail caching exists (it's even highly configurable), there's absolutely zero buffering even with 100k photos+ on a raspberry pi. You obviously did not read the documentation or install the preview generator (which the docs clearly tell you to)

Your deployment skills are hot garbage

EDIT 3: ^the last line was in response to something that has been edited out of the original comment

EDIT: the comment this is in reply to was edited multiple times. This is pointless and a lot of it is just false.

EDIT 2: (at least currently the previous comment claims unnecessary PHP requests) this only happens if your configuration is incomplete; you didn't install preview generator as the docs say. Secondly it happens exactly once, the first time you see the image. All other requests are gracefully cancelled.

menthe
13 replies
1d1h

Absolutely was using the AIO image, with thumbnail generation enabled for every formats of my library (another thing you need to manually edit in Nextcloud’s configuration as by default the format list is limited).

And it’s only “pre-optimized” if you are cool with PHP memory limit crashes, PHP operation timeouts, PHP request size limits, and the works.

Another joy associated with using Nextcloud sync is that uploads don’t even seem to support multi-part resumable uploads. So not only is it crazy slow, if there’s any error during the auto-upload of a 2G video clip, or the app is temporally backgrounded by iOS, it’ll go into an exponential back off (which you can force start), and eventually just start the upload for that/those file(s) over from scratch - good ways to waste days burning in your screen while in a trip and trying to ensure your medias are backed up in case you lose your phone on a trip. Try uploading raw images & 4k clips shot on iPhone to Nextcloud using the Nextcloud app + the AIO image from abroad.

I’m telling you, I’ve tried to use them for quite some time, and I’m far from DevOps-illiterate - I’ve been using k8s since it’s infancy, we wrote the original Operators at CoreOS way back.

radialapps
12 replies
1d1h

I don't know what to say if you think flipping a switch in the admin UI is "manually" configuring.

Otherwise, mostly all of this is just false. I routinely upload massive files (both RAW and 4K, yes) with almost default configuration and it just works. You also lied with "no thumbnail caching" in the first comment, no idea why.

RockRobotRock
10 replies
1d1h

Wow, your first comment was completely rude and unnecessary. Why do you feel the need to say, "you must be lying or you suck at deploying, because it works for me."

also, they meant that their SMB share didn't have thumbnail caching

radialapps
9 replies
1d

Hmm I can reply now, strange. That comment was edited multiple times so this is pointless. Also the original commentor started the rude exchange with "hot garbage" (wonder if they'll edit that out too now)

EDIT: yeah, they edited that out too.

RockRobotRock
8 replies
1d

I understand now that you are the developer of this app.

I'm sure it doesn't feel very good to have someone criticize it, I get that. But, this person cared enough about the thing you made to use it, troubleshoot it, and post a comment about it on HN.

At the end of the day, it's valuable user feedback :)

radialapps
7 replies
1d

No, just no.

Valuable user feedback (which I absolutely love) is someone pulling the server logs, filing a bug on GitHub and following through till it gets fixed. Or, even attempting to see what parts are slow and reporting it. Worse but still very helpful, providing a link to an affected instance that might help "see" what might be happening.

Spending a few hours trying random things and then complaining loudly like a know-it-all is NOT valuable feedback; it's bullshit. Nothing here is helpful, at all. There's absolutely zero indication of what could be fixed and why this particular person's deployment is broken while thousands of others on much slower hardware work just fine. None.

RockRobotRock
6 replies
1d

Yeah, you're right. You should say "please file a detailed bug report and consider contributing to the project", instead of being a dick about it.

The other comments you posted are also a bit odd without you disclosing you're the author. just saying

radialapps
5 replies
23h48m

100% agree, generally speaking.

In this case I was rather annoyed since the original comment was very offensively worded and the person obviously had zero intention of helping out. Their only goal was to stroke their own ego by shouting out how something they couldn't get to work is crap.

This is part of the reason for open source maintainer burnout -- useless comments about how something is broken with zero intention of helping to fix it. Hey, it's free -- if you don't like it then either help, or stop crying and move on to something else.

PennRobotics
1 replies
14h6m

I, for one, am sick of "just run the Docker image" as a deployment strategy and the be-all end-all of support. On my last attempt at serving a photo gallery, I deployed Hetzner's Photoprism image on a Hetzner server... and it failed. You would think such a thing would be bulletproof! They don't tell you an IPv4 address is needed and the log does not indicate anything is wrong other than Traefik has problems connecting to the certificate server.

If something doesn't work—regardless of how unhelpful the report or oddly configured the deployment machine is—I would love to hear about it so I temper my own expectations before trying it myself.

While I sympathize with the developer whose product is popular enough to collect 1000 issues as of two days ago, some of your many thousands of users can also get fatigued by spending resources (time, money, mental effort) on deployments that fail because the machine and network running Docker is still different enough from yours that issues arise.

My Hetzner Photoprism bug report has been sitting unanswered for two weeks. Getting the log data and trying out different DNS configurations and writing the bug report took a few hours, because I had to SSH into the Docker image and run curl verbosely and figure out which of the five docker-compose elements was causing problems; running Docker and setting up servers isn't my day job. I don't feel like paying 25 bucks a year for an IPv4 address and don't really want to figure out how to get Let's Encrypt to work on Hetzner's IPv6 by manually adjusting the Docker Compose configuration. I thought that's the point of Docker Compose: that you wouldn't need to dick around with it to get it working. I'll probably delete the thing and replace it with something else—potentially Nextcloud as there's no preconfigured Immich image. So, you know... expect my Memories bug report in a few days.

I can't imagine this user's complaint was fabricated from thin air. Rude or not, they are having problems with the thing you made. Make a mental note, "at least some small percent of users are still having issues, in this case no clear root cause, probably a small enough population to ignore, maybe one day further reduce the friction for reporting bugs or find a way to gather more detailed info." Maybe put them in their place if they actually attack you personally or actually have no useful information e.g. "Product Sucks!!" but beyond that, I (as a potential fellow user) find these not-very-dev-helpful reports insightful, as there are two dozen competing FOSS photo storage programs and I want to efficiently figure out which application has features I prefer, is actually stable and easy to deploy, not likely to switch licenses going forward, has a clear goal and steady progress, documentation is well-written and not just a "Brothers Karamazov" dump of one developer's stream of consciousness, etc.

Should I take two or three hours to file bug reports for each of the 20 photo albums I'd consider testing instead of spending time with family or practicing music? Maintainer fatigue is no joke, but it's also a burden on users if the software does not run, and they've already sunken some opportunity cost, and then not every user knows how to be kind and helpful through their frustration.

Anyway, your reaction is valid. I hope you keep working on the project, but I'd also be okay with not having so many different FOSS options and still no clear winner.

PennRobotics
0 replies
11h18m

Last post can't be edited.

I got done loading a Nextcloud image and it works fine. It's also a different base server and configured differently, and it has IPv4 without extra cost. The only issue so far is that ffmpeg is not detected by Memories so transcoding cannot be enabled, even if I install the only app related to ffmpeg, "Automated media conversion." I'll have to keep reading to see if that's the right app. The server is managed in a way that I can't ssh or change anything Docker-related. I can only log in to Nextcloud at a given URL, so I don't know how run commands from the documentation such as "occ ..." With enough time, I can search if this is usable or not.

It will take probably 20 or 30 minutes to figure out running commands and if ffmpeg can be installed/accessed. I've already committed an hour to this platform even before uploading a single ARW, although I'm already farther along than I was with Photoprism...

EDIT: 24 minutes. I can run occ commands. I can't install ffmpeg. Many others have the same well-known problem: no video thumbnails. Oh well, not a dealbreaker.

dugite-code
0 replies
19h58m

Well I for one would like to say I truly appreciate the brilliant work you have done. The app is a joy to use and I have had several coworkers ask what website I was using when I show them something.

Your work has given me reminders to memories I long forgot about, and nothing can come close to the importance of recalling good memories.

RockRobotRock
0 replies
23h47m

Totally understandable sentiment!

28304283409234
0 replies
15h34m

You asked for feedback in your post. No more, no less. Then you started flaming a person for giving their feedback. And start defending the flaming because you actually wanted feedback _in a certain format and worded nicely_.

You are doing great stuff with Memories. Community building skills need some work though.

That is my feedback. Which you asked for.

menthe
0 replies
1d1h

The day SMB supports server-side thumbnail generation/caching, kindly let me know :]

Fnoord
12 replies
1d2h

(Still installing/configuring.)

Awesome, this is the main piece of puzzle I (or rather: my wife) miss from Nextcloud (the default Photos has terrible performance and lacks some features). Gonna set it up. Also nice to see Face Recognition app is used. Now I'm gonna have to edit my docker-compose.yml for the dependencies but that is fine.

Also, I've been trying Photoprism and also I tried Immich in past. They have disadvantages: they don't sync with whatever got uploaded to Nextcloud and they either do not have a mobile front-end or it is some web app. They also have stability issues, though I had most success with Photoprism.

I suppose it won't be as useful to me as it could be as I'm stripping all EXIF data from any photo uploaded by Nextcloud because I fear my wife stupidly just shares whatever when she should not. Yes, I know you can do OSINT analysis anyway, but that is a skill as of yet.

jvanderbot
3 replies
1d

Try https://ente.io/

I like it very much.

Fnoord
1 replies
1d

Not for me. I self-host Nextcloud in my home network. I have a Wireguard VPN set up to it, too. I'll have fiber (1000/1000 mbit) soon, so not worried about network speed. I prefer something native in Nextcloud. And I do not need E2E encryption; I already use FDE in this VM.

That said, to each their own, thanks for sharing.

jvanderbot
0 replies
23h50m

Your setup is what I set out to build. Ente.io is what I landed in after I managed to put it off so long. Congrats on actually doing it

avhception
0 replies
1d

Thanks, that looks really interesting!

iforgotpassword
2 replies
1d

Man, I've yet to find the perfect solution for this. Photoprism was really promising at first but the Dev can't seem to handle the stress of trying to make this pay his rent. Sometimes he reacts really pissed if people complain about something missing/broken, and not just if they're unreasonable or something. Just not very clever if that's the same people who are paying you. Pull requests get denied or rejected for the smallest of reasons. yes, it's his project and you should not just merge any crappy code, but it's things like rejecting an API extension by developers of the mobile app so they eventually give up on the app.

The facial recognition is subpar and performs worse the more faces you tagged, but it's always the users fault somehow, instead of accepting that yes even though you put a lot of work and effort into it, the result might be bad.

Then somehow immich comes along and manages to basically become a better photoprism over night because it's somehow just a well managed project accepting a lot of contributions without the code turning into complete shit.

I don't know what to say. I'm still a sponsor of photoprism bot it seems the guy running it is his own worst enemy in some ways.

janwillemb
0 replies
5h55m

Somehow I'm relieved by this comment, that it's not just me. I've tried communicating with the author about face recognition and always got answers that I considered slightly rude and off-putting. I shook it off, contributed some money, and I'm still a user. I'll take a look at immich now though.

brucethemoose2
0 replies
23h59m

Being a "hero" open source dev for a project like that can require a lot of neuroticism.

Sometimes it works, but sometimes the project is just too big, I think.

COGlory
0 replies
23h52m

Oh wow, that's news to me. I'll check it out

wkipling
0 replies
1d

None of those negatives you mentioned apply to Immich.

screamingninja
0 replies
1d

Thoughts about Les Pas?

https://github.com/scubajeff/lespas - comes with built-in two-way sync with Nextcloud server

(no affiliation, just a curious Nextcloud user)

codethief
11 replies
22h54m

Fantastic project!

No Lock-In

Memories stores most of the metadata in the EXIF headers of your photos, which means that you can easily migrate to other solutions without losing your data. It also utilizes your existing filesystem structure for organization without converting it to any specialized format

Given that, would a standalone version be feasible, i.e. one that doesn't rely on Nextcloud and only operates on a folder on disk? I mean, while Memories might not lock you in, Nextcloud can still do so. (No two-way sync etc. etc.)

Currently, I just use Syncthing to synchronize all my files across devices (laptop, phone, home server, …) and it works splendidly! Ideally I'd just want to run Memories either locally (on the local copy of my photos folder) or on my home server (on the home server's copy of my photos folder).

raybb
5 replies
22h49m

Probably not what you want but I use rclone to mount my hetzner NC instance and have syncthing that points to that mounted folder. It's been pretty hands free solution for me since I don't have a computer at home that's always on. It all started because I didn't want to keep getting sync conflicts with my obsidian notes between laptop and phone.

BodyCulture
3 replies
13h24m

Is that data in the data centre encrypted?

raybb
2 replies
12h46m

I don't think that Hetzner has the next cloud encryption turned on. So I assume it is not encrypted but when I use syncthing, I can turn on encryption there for the NC node.

codethief
1 replies
7h12m

But then an app like Memories wouldn't be able to read your files, would it?

raybb
0 replies
2h24m

That's correct as far as I know.

codethief
0 replies
2h14m

I'm not sure I'm following: What do you use Syncthing for if on your laptop you mount your remote Nextcloud storage anyway (and presumably use the Nextcloud client on your phone)?

radialapps
4 replies
22h46m

Thank you!

I wrote a bit on why Nextcloud a while back, I'll link it here (see point 5 in FAQ): https://memories.gallery/faq/#faq

As such, Nextcloud doesn't really lock you in; it just provides a framework for the app. You can, theoretically, continue to use Syncthing to sync files while running Nextcloud on top of it (probably not ideal though)

I want to note though, the "no lock-in" philosophy refers more to being able to move out of Nextcloud/Memories at any point if you want. Nextcloud still just stores everything on your disk as folders and files, so you can just decide to nuke it one day and still have everything (not fully true yet, you'll still lose some things like tags and albums; exporting these out too is WIP)

skybrian
0 replies
22h12m

Another question for your FAQ might be "what is NextCloud?"

headmelted
0 replies
10h0m

I like the approach taken here. Nextcloud is becoming the defacto open-personal-cloud standard so it makes sense to integrate photos into that. If Nextcloud were getting up to shenanigans in the future I'm confident the project would be forked, and in the meantime I don't expect it would be hard to plug in an alternative backend.

I think for an open-source and/or self-hosted solution to come close to an approximation of google cloud/iCloud/whatever we need projects like this to be able to pick their niche and hyper-focus on it, which leaning on Nextcloud does in this case I feel.

codethief
0 replies
2h24m

Thanks so much for elaborating!

For what it's worth, I think for people like me (who already use Syncthing and Tailscale), all the reasons the FAQ mention for why Nextcloud is really necessary (auth, file upload, etc.) are already covered, which is why I'd be so interested in something a little bit more lightweight.

(As an aside, I am not sure I agree on the "Nextcloud upgrades are seamless" part – every time I've had to upgrade a Nextcloud instance so far I was in for a world of pain.)

Anyway, I wish you tons of success with your project! :) It might be what will push some of my family members to leave Google Photos and/or Dropbox, and that would be a huge win already!

BodyCulture
0 replies
13h19m

Please add to FAQ:

Is my data encrypted?

Thank you!

belinder
10 replies
1d2h

How does this compare to immich? I spent a few weekends ago setting that up and it's working great, though it doesn't always detect faces correctly and swiping through images is a bit slower than Google photos

talhah
7 replies
1d2h

The main thing to me was that since this runs on Nextcloud its more extensible as the photos are just stored under the files and you can use various other apps to do what your heart desires. The other aspect is you get your own Gdrive alternative. You may or may not want this.

For mobile compatibility Nextcloud is better since you can choose which folder photos go to and you can essentially automatically backup albums whereas with Immich you can't automatically specify which album photos from a directory should go [1].

In addition to this, Immich isn't too stable yet and each time you update the server all clients have to be on the latest version, at least since the last time I used Immich.

1. https://github.com/immich-app/immich/discussions/1678

menthe
6 replies
1d1h

This is moot.

- Immich supports external libraries

- Use docker compose and never worry about versions breaking

Ringz
4 replies
1d1h

External libraries? What do you mean by that? External storage?

The last time I looked, Immich can’t work with a existing file and folder structure without importing (copy) everything in his own structure (database). That’s a big no go for me.

In Memories, the file structure of your photos is preserved as-is. And you can run it alongside with other solutions that respect your folder structure.

EDIT: looks like Immich can work with external folders. But: Does it put pictures from my phone in that external folder or in its own folder?

talhah
2 replies
1d1h

Immich on mobile doesn't give you much flexibility with where each local folder gets uploaded to yet so it doesn't preserve folder structure. If you're using the CLI you can program the structure and tell it which album a folder can map to.

Jnr
1 replies
15h46m

You can add any folder to immich as external library. No need to use cli.

So if you want custom structure, synchronize files from mobile to server in any way you prefer (Syncthing, PhotoSync, etc.) and add that folder as an external library.

talhah
0 replies
10h5m

This is quite a basic feature which should be inbuilt to the Immich mobile app. It's a common use case to want your screenshots, WhatsApp media album to not be displayed on the main timeline.

If you're running an instance for less technical users it's more hiccups to setup syncthing etc and have to explain why another app is needed.

talhah
0 replies
1d1h

This is moot. Immich fully supports external libraries.

You're correct, Immich does support external libraries. To be more elaborate with my original comment, I meant inbuilt apps of Nextcloud which integrate well and complement the memories app. An example app would be the Face recognition one or Recognize if you fancy a different implementation. Nextcloud is after all an ecosystem so using memories gains you the other benefits of such an ecosystem. This might be overkill for some so it's upto your usecases.

Versions breaking is an issue since both mobile and server clients have to be on the same version. Compared to Nextcloud Memories this is not an issue. This was an issue when I've last used Immich so this may have changed since then.

radialapps
1 replies
1d2h

Face recognition is a hard task but you can manually correct the AI and it learns from that. Performance is the #1 goal here. I actually profiled this side-by-side and it's actually faster than Google Photos for my personal deployment.

Jnr
0 replies
15h43m

Having tens of thousands of photos in Immich, I am surprised how accurate the model is. It rarely gets it wrong and when it gets it wrong, it usually happens with similar baby faces of close relatives.

bl4kers
9 replies
1d2h

Basically the last thing keeping me locked into Google Photos is it's social features.

I see "external sharing" is mentioned but haven't found more information on that. Ideally I'd want the option to share an album with password protection, doesn't require an account to view, and allows comments on photos. Bonus would be to have a running album feed with view receipts per account.

I know that's a lot but wanted to be specific. I'm ready to migrate but haven't found a platform that has feature parity on this front.

radialapps
4 replies
1d2h

You can share folders and albums that don't need an account to view. Folders do support password protection as well.

singhrac
3 replies
23h15m

Does it support allowing others to upload photos as well (eg from a group trip)? If it does I’ll install it today on my homelab.

radialapps
2 replies
23h10m

Folders: this is fully supported. You can share out links of folders that anyone can upload to etc. These get stored in that folder (in your account) then.

Albums: partial support. You can share links to albums that are viewable or share albums with others with an account on your nextcloud instance. People who have an account can upload photos to the shared albums.

jtbayly
1 replies
12h43m

I’m very interested in this. Is there a demo server or a description of what the process looks like for uploading to one of these folders from an iPhone or Android device?

jtbayly
0 replies
7h46m

I ask because the demo server doesn't seem to allow uploading any images.

magic_hamster
1 replies
1d2h

It sounds like you can implement this by hosting your photos on a server with password access. You don't even need google for this.

lytedev
0 replies
1d

#ThatDropboxComment ;)

hoherd
0 replies
46m

Photoprism has gallery sharing and the share links can have expirations.

collin128
0 replies
22h10m

This for me too.

The reason I pay for tons of extra Google photos storage is it tags and uploads and pics of my kiddos to an album shared with all the grandparents. It's their favourite app in the world and I'm never allowed to cancel.

Could I replicate that here?

warkdarrior
8 replies
1d2h

Ugh, it's tied to Nextcloud. Is there a standalone option?

parl_match
3 replies
1d2h

Yes! It's open source, so simply download the project, make the requisite changes, and then run it wherever you like.

https://github.com/pulsejet/memories

burnte
2 replies
1d2h

I think you meant to say "No, but it's open source, so simply download the project, make the requisite changes, and then run it wherever you like."

When you say "Yes, it's OSS so you can just do it yourself" it's generally viewed as snarky and misleading, as the question wasn't "can I modify it" but "is it available already in another form?" It's just not helpful to anyone to word it like that backwards manner.

parl_match
1 replies
1d

It's just not helpful to complain about someone else's work, either.

radialapps
0 replies
1d1h

No

mcint
0 replies
1d2h

I found NextCloud pretty easy to set up...from yunohost.org.

By contrast, when I tried to install it manually, the distribution install scripts broke on the second run, on changes that the very same script made on the first run. Anti-idempotent, I dropped it with the impression of drumming up hosting or consulting business.

hanniabu
0 replies
1d1h

I don't know anything about Nextcloud, what's wrong with it?

burnte
0 replies
1d2h

Doesn't seem to be.

mcfedr
7 replies
15h31m

Shout out for photo prism, similar concept, with nice ai search, and doesn't need next cloud, just a folder. https://www.photoprism.app/

No affiliation, just a happy consumer.

intuxikated
3 replies
14h53m

does it do automatic tagging / recognizing faces / scenes / objects?

noisem4ker
0 replies
14h40m

Sort of. It uses TensorFlow for object recognition and categorization. I personally wouldn't say it's very reliable. I'm not going to compare it to Google Photos, though, as I never fed my photo library to the latter.

janwillemb
0 replies
6h1m

Yes but it is very unreliable. Especially for recognizing kids.

gaazoh
1 replies
14h49m

Still requires hosting AFAICT. Would you know of a native Windows software alternative, perhaps? I could probably manage to host Photo Prism or Memories, but there's no way my parents would take the time to learn and set up a server, yet they have decades of pictures to sort through.

lordfrikk
0 replies
9h49m

I'm a happy consumer, too, but I would say speed is not Photoprism's strength.

pathsjs
5 replies
1d2h

How complex is it to configure? I have an instance of NextCloud from Hetzner, but I would rather not misconfigure it.

Also, is there a mobile app? Most of the time when I look at pictures I am on the phone

talhah
4 replies
1d2h

As easy as downloading an app from the store and telling it which directory to work with.

If you need the AI features those require separate apps and depending on your deployment it might need some effort. I'm running a docker image and had to ensure I have some of the required libraries for the AI things to work. It isn't too hard to misconfigure though and I believe there's a decent amount of resources for this.

As for mobile app, there isn't an explicit one but the webapp interface is mobile friendly and works pretty well. I also use NC photos and it still works with the tags and face recognition things. That app doesn't require "Memories" as far as I know.

XCSme
1 replies
23h44m

Is there any photo-syncing at play? Or it's just a viewer for the data already on your NextCloud instance.

If I take photos with my phone, I have to manually upload them to NextCloud?

radialapps
0 replies
23h39m

Just use the Nextcloud Android / iOS apps for auto upload. Memories automatically picks up everything that's uploaded.

leononame
5 replies
1d2h

Hi, this looks super polished, congratulations. I've got a couple of questions:

- Does the metadata editing allow it to write back to the file, storing the edited metadata in a sidecar or in the EXIF data? - Does it support some kind of auto-stacking? E.g. having raw files alongside exported tiff/jpg and recognizing that they are the same file? Especially for a nextcloud based solution, that'd be awesome

radialapps
4 replies
1d2h

Yes. Yes.

gwbrooks
3 replies
1d1h

Does it preserve and/or allow editing of the text metadata (typically, the generative prompt) appended to PNG files created with Stable Diffusion?

radialapps
1 replies
1d1h

No idea what that is

tejtm
0 replies
22h3m

older versions of png did not support an exif chunk, so other metadata/property chunks were/are sometimes used

cwillu
0 replies
1d

That's exif metadata, so it should Just Work™

aendruk
5 replies
1d3h

What are your thoughts on PhotoPrism?

candiddevmike
3 replies
1d2h

It's nice, but $24/year/forever to have multiple users is a bit much...

rockooooo
2 replies
1d2h

$24 a year is too much?

candiddevmike
1 replies
1d1h

When every other aspect of the app is basically free, yes. I would pay once for the functionality, not as a subscription.

gene91
0 replies
1d

They offer a lifetime price of $128.

https://www.photoprism.app/membership/faq

Are there alternatives to a recurring subscription? > > Yes, our Plus members automatically receive a free Lifetime Essentials membership after 24 months
radialapps
0 replies
1d1h

My thoughts? Too slow. No timeline view. Looks terrible.

nwbort
4 replies
21h5m

Any suggestions on the best workflow to export out of Google Photos? I have ~200GB in Google Photos and would need to eg put together the weird Google Photos metadata into usable format for Memories

radialapps
3 replies
20h30m

Google Takeout. Importing from takeout metadata is supported (at least edits to the images; not albums right now)

ajtaylor
2 replies
19h24m

I tried using Takeout but the exported file structure and various metadata files were almost incomprehensible. This is likely partly my fault because I didn't download the full 100+ zip files, but I suspect there would be so many files scattered in too many directories to be much use.

nwbort
0 replies
17h49m

Yeah this was what my concern was basically

exhilaration
0 replies
19h8m

I found this in an HN comment https://metadatafixer.com/ I haven't used it but it looks pretty promising

nikolayasdf123
4 replies
23h21m

does it support HDR? live photos? 4K HDR videos? dare I say, new apple "spatial" video format?

radialapps
3 replies
23h7m

HDR kinda works, depends on the photo. Live photos are fully supported (Apple/Google/Samsung/Xiaomi at least). HDR videos are a pain to transcode, it mostly doesn't work well (but this is not very well tested / worked on). No idea about the spatial stuff.

nikolayasdf123
1 replies
21h2m

transcode...

I guess other important point is to store originals as well (or maybe even rendering originals directly). and also RAW format for audio video.

then comes question on handling 250GB+ videos and libraries for TBs sizes

Apple Photos rocks in all of the above. and it also works excellently offline.

to beat it you have to really solve those problems..

radialapps
0 replies
20h26m

Only the originals are stored. Transcoding is needed to play any video in browsers, e.g. HEVC isn't supported by most browsers. For this, Memories transcodes your video on the fly and streams it to the browser with HLS. RAW support for photos is easy and already supported, no idea about videos.

As far as "beating" Apple, I'm ready to bet that'll never happen (not just with this project but any really). A small open source project can't really compete with a $2T company

nikolayasdf123
0 replies
21h4m

got it. guess my point is that excellent support for latest formats are super important for this to be viable for mass user

(AFAIK latest browsers still do not support HDR photos.. so guess would be hard to implement in open source those).

hunter2_
4 replies
16h54m

I need to dig deeper, but for now I just want to say how delightful it is to be able to go to the next/previous photo by swiping even if I've zoomed in. Google Photos makes me zoom all the way back out first with a huge pinch, which leads to a lot of frustration when swipes fail to change the photo. Nice work.

beAbU
3 replies
16h47m

"It's not a bug, it's a feature".

Many rely on this "issue" to prevent people from swiping to photos they're not supposed to see - a common enough occurence when showing someone a photo on your phone.

stevenicr
0 replies
6h38m

"prevent people from swiping to photos they're not supposed to see"

I feel this is a common problem and there could be a solution like long-press pop a menu that allows you to lock 'just this pic' until photos is closed and reopened.. or select 'pics from just today' or 'pics just from the past XX minutes'

Or something, this issue is huge in a lot of circumstances.

spurgu
0 replies
14h18m

Indeed. Maybe there should be a setting for this functionality so you can turn it on/off according to your preferences.

greensoap
4 replies
1d

I think this is relevant; but does anyone know of any software that is able to tag photos based on quality- like blur, framing, composition. We have too many photos. So many duplicates from the same day. I’ve dreamed of something that would tag or prune based on the best of from any given set of photos. It would turn our library of 80000 random photos into a set of photos I can put on a frame and see the “good ones”.

globular-toast
1 replies
16h19m

Delete the bad ones.

greensoap
0 replies
1h47m

Why didn't I think of that?

zilti
0 replies
1d

digiKam might have this or similar, or there might be a plugin for it. It's gotten so many features that I hardly know what's going on anymore.

radialapps
0 replies
1d

This one has been on my mind for a long time. A good start would be blurred photos, duplicate identification and finding a generically "good" photo given a set (e.g. photos from a single location)

ementally
4 replies
1d1h

How is it compared to https://ente.io/ ?

radialapps
2 replies
1d1h

Different goals.

Ente is commercial, Memories is free

Ente is focused on E2EE, Memories is focused on self-hosting.

saddist0
0 replies
16h42m

It has a commercial offering, but it isn't "commercial" and provide self hosting fyi. https://github.com/ente-io

hanniabu
0 replies
1d1h

looks like memories has auto-categorization

pathsjs
3 replies
1d2h

How complex is it to configure memories? I own a hosted instance of NextCloud from Hetzner, but I would rather not misconfigure it. Also, is there a mobile app? I think not having one is limiting, since most of the time I want to look at the pictures on the phone

radialapps
2 replies
1d1h

Everything can be mostly configured through the admin panel, maybe 15-20 minutes?

There's a mobile app for Android: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=gallery.memori...

On iOS, you can use the PWA ("add to homescreen") and it behaves almost exactly as a native app

raybb
1 replies
1d

You might wanna consider adding a page to your docs about setup on hetzner since it's so popular for NC hosting.

Seems that it is possible to get it mostly working based on this issue: https://github.com/pulsejet/memories/issues/110

auscad
3 replies
22h15m

I would really like to see an integrated camera app that allows me to hide my photos from the OS so that big brother doesn't automatically ingest them

lxgr
1 replies
20h55m

If you don’t trust your OS, how can you trust it to run an app? Apps can’t hide data from the OS that’s running them.

auscad
0 replies
19h19m

I’m concerned about what the OS is doing in accordance with its privacy policy or terms of service. Without having read them (I am only human) I assume the photos in the default location are sent off for analysis to “improve your experience by showing you relevant advertising”. I would be surprised if this above-board surveillance went as far as crawling the filesystem

dugite-code
0 replies
20h6m

The Nextcloud App (Not the Memories Nextcloud app) allows taking a photo that goes directly to the server. It's also got a Scan document feature that I use to scan to a Paperless folder for processing.

timmg
2 replies
1d2h

Just curious: what's the business model for something like this.

radialapps
0 replies
1d1h

It's free

burnte
0 replies
1d2h

Doesn't look like it's a business, so probably no business plan.

stavros
2 replies
21h48m

This is fantastic, better photo viewing is the only thing I was missing from Nextcloud, since without this I basically can't see any photos (they're too slow and the UX is bad).

I installed this, indexed the photos, etc, but I still get lots of grey boxes (photos not loading) when I browse. Am I missing something, or is my server just too slow for this?

EDIT: I think my server is just too slow. The entire machine freezes when loading one of the photos.

stavros
0 replies
6h55m

Ahh, thank you, I did install the preview generator but missed the initial run, thanks!

nntwozz
2 replies
23h4m

I've been using Lychee for many years - https://github.com/LycheeOrg/Lychee

Memories looks like a nice alternative, anyone using Lychee here with a comparison?

eblanshey
0 replies
22h3m

Wow, the state of self-hosted photo libraries has gotten way better since I last settled on Photoprism a few years ago. Both Memories and Immich seem very polished. The timeline features look great. I may need to play around with these.

conqrr
2 replies
1d2h

I will take whatever is the most stable. I don't need a lot of feature, just a timeline and gallery with albums. Immich fits it for now, but it is way too focused on piling features and is bleeding edge. I hope memories has stability as its goal.

radialapps
0 replies
1d1h

Indeed. Backward compatibility is also a major goal and there have been almost no major breaking changes since v2 (at v7 currently)

dugite-code
0 replies
20h9m

I've been using it for quite a while and had no issues with the app at all. Only one hick-up with Nextcloud itself but that was really my fault if I'm honest

anigbrowl
2 replies
21h52m

This looks promising, plus it won't try to push its idea of my favorite photos at me when my phone detects I'm awake each day - a gPhotos behavior I find increasingly creepy and never asked for.

mcfedr
1 replies
15h32m

Disable notifications and it's gone

spurgu
0 replies
14h16m

Not sure why you're getting downvoted (upvoted to counter). I assume you mean the notifications of Google Photos (and not disabling notifications altogether). I don't see any legitimate use for them so might as well just turn them off.

Edit: It doesn't change the fact that the behavior is creepy though. Maybe that's the criticism.

tamimio
1 replies
15h17m

Can I search for a text in a photo?

Off topic: what’s the best desktop application that allows that? A lot of my pics in my iPhone are still there because of this feature, but if there’s a program that does the same on windows/linux, I will be happy to use instead.

stevenicr
0 replies
6h21m

I started playing with 'image scan ocr' (from the windows store I think) - to bulk pull the text from a bunch of screenshots / pics - hoping to export it all and make it searchable..

It did some things well, but I did not complete the mission for reasons I can't recall.

I think powertoys->Text Extractor

and other windows apps have this built in now, including the built-in win 11 'snipping tool' - ( https://www.windowscentral.com/software-apps/windows-11/what...

I was reading that MSsoft preinstalled Edge browser has " Enable Edge Screenshot Tool with Copilot, OCR and Search" - but I am unsure if this is on device or shared to cloud.

spencerflem
1 replies
1d

I was just setting this up last weekend! Its lovely, really well put together. If this is your project, thank you so much

radialapps
0 replies
1d

Great to hear that!

It's FOSS and I only work on this in my free time, so please keep the bug reports coming as you run into them! :)

raybb
1 replies
1d

Nextcloud itself is a PWA. Did you have to do anything special to make what seems like essentially your own PWA inside another? I ask because I'd love to turn the nextcloud/tasks app into a PWA but was concerned about how it could work.

radialapps
0 replies
1d

Not much, it works pretty much out of the box.

porphyra
1 replies
23h34m

Does it have search by keywords/semantics? That would be my main need. For example if I need to find photos of red algae I could just search for that.

OpenAI open sourced CLIP a couple of years ago: https://github.com/openai/CLIP and I was planning to write something myself to index my vast photo library but got too lazy and gave up.

radialapps
0 replies
23h11m

Not yet, search is a major planned feature

mikrotikker
1 replies
21h13m

PHP? Really? Why?

dugite-code
0 replies
19h50m

Because Nextcloud is made in PHP and it's not a bad language? It's been a long time since PHP5

laksmanv
1 replies
23h43m

Hi! I love it - how can I reach out to you?

hwbunny
1 replies
19h32m

In our testing environment, it can load a timeline view with 100k photos in under 500ms, including query and rendering time! --- Wow, and why is that necessary?

bogdan
0 replies
18h2m

Because we have limited time in this world and waiting for photos to load isn't the best way to spend that time

hereme888
1 replies
1d

I tried it a year ago through Nextcloud AIO and it barely worked... Has it had major improvements since? Or is it because I was using the AIO version of Nextcloud?

radialapps
0 replies
1d

The project is a little over a year old, so yeah lol

greatNespresso
1 replies
1d

Impressed by the loading speed of pictures, how does that work?

radialapps
0 replies
1d

It uses very complex hand optimized SQL queries to do everything in a single database query. The database is also structured in a way to support this.

The result: each request overall only takes a few milliseconds for the hardest part, the rest of the optimization is a game of caching.

forgingahead
1 replies
21h29m

Nice work! Been looking for a good standalone photo manager for a while.

Three questions:

1. Can we do multiple person search? Eg: photos with Person A and Person B?

2. Any plans for descriptive search using CLIP or any of the existing neural networks out there?

3. I see we can edit the exif description, but maybe can we have a custom caption box? eg: "Mum and Dad in 1993". Ideally that would also be available for search, and it would appear more explicitly when browsing photos (kind of like a real album with the notes written next to each photo).

Jnr
0 replies
14h56m

You should try Immich. It already does 1. and 2. very well.

doublesocket
1 replies
1d

I currently use Mylio. The feature I like most is that I can store a compressed version of my entire catalog on my phone so it's very quick to find something and it works offline. I can then download the full res image if I want it.

My biggest complaint about Mylio is there is still no automatic synchronisation from Android. You have to leave the app open for it to sync.

Wondering if the Memories Android app can handle both of these points?

radialapps
0 replies
1d

First one is interesting, not possible at the moment.

The Nextcloud app is used for auto-upload, that does support background upload at least on Android.

dmitrygr
1 replies
23h33m

How hard would this be to deploy the old-fashioned way (as an executable on my own linux box, no docker/nexcloud/prevcloud/bulbasaur/cerebii/cubone)?

archon810
1 replies
6h44m

I gave the demo album a whirl on my Pixel 8 Pro in Chrome.

Two bugs stood out to me immediately:

1. Tapping on the i button does nothing.

2. After clicking around on some images, the back button was mostly useless until I pressed it like 10 times. I think it works for album navigation but stops working when you start photo navigation.

radialapps
0 replies
5h16m

Thanks for the useful report! Fixes are in the pipeline and should land in the next version

adam_gyroscope
1 replies
1d1h

Is there auto syncing from Apple Photos? That’s the missing feature in Google Photos for me.

dugite-code
0 replies
19h51m

There is an Auto upload function in the Nextcloud APP, I believe it works on IOS

XiS
1 replies
1d

Tried this a year ago, it was a real mess, barely worked and broke often.

Hopefully it changed a lot in the meantime because I would really like this to be integrated into NextCloud.

I the meantime, I'm really happy using Immich

radialapps
0 replies
1d

Umm the project barely existed a year ago, it was in very early stages.

WhitneyLand
1 replies
21h52m

Great work Varun.

Doing photos is one thing, but doing it to scale and also with high performance at the client is a very nice accomplishment.

radialapps
0 replies
21h50m

Thank you!

COGlory
1 replies
23h47m

Where can I give you money? I see nothing on the support page.

2Gkashmiri
1 replies
23h44m

What's the vps specs required to get started? I do not need ai features for example. Just a place for family to store photos on.

Preferably on the cheapest vps with s3 backend

radialapps
0 replies
23h41m

See the demo above. It runs on a free-tier VM from Oracle.

Minimum requirements are quite low. Mainly you need memory to get good performance (at least 4GB, say). CPU-wise it runs fine with massive libraries even on RPi.

I don't recommend S3 as external storage though; the Nextcloud implementation is quite finicky. Unless you can mount that and use it inside docker, that would work fine.

EDIT: features like AI are all optional.

usrusr
0 replies
12h31m

Would it be good for federation? As in ability to dump a large amount of mixed quality images on a local instance and then sync only a subset ("tagged favorite", "rated 4+ stars" or something like that) to an off-site instance. Because that's my number one requirement for image management: convenient management of the image selection subset pyramid.

I know nextcloud has some federation features, but I have no idea if that could be put to work based on some exif criteria or other file metadata.

For all I know this could be a killer feature that would be enough on its own to motivate the nextcloud plugin vs standalone decision, or it might be completely useless as in federation only based on entire folders.

tuananh
0 replies
23h0m

I've been using Synology Photos. Not OSS but they have Android/iOS app so that I can just log in once and enable auto-backup.

thih9
0 replies
14h53m

Congrats on building this, looks great!

Minor feedback: could you update the text or image to link to nextcloud? I know nothing about nextcloud, the project mentions it and I wanted to read more.

senectus1
0 replies
23h23m

right, i think i have a new project this weekend.

I've been trying to find a way out of google photos... but that auto OBJECT and face tagging is a so useful. I can search for car and get cars, or dog and get dogs etc I look forward to testing this out!

sampli
0 replies
1d

I’m a big fan of https://immich.app/ and I use it every day for thousands of assets

rc_kas
0 replies
21h53m

Oh god. I <3 for making this.

muppetman
0 replies
20h40m

These are all similar things that Gallery (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gallery_Project) promised (not the same features because location for example wasn't a thing). And delivered on for a great number of years, really well. It seemed like the future of image hosting. And then it slowly trailed off, v3 of Gallery did get released but to a lukewarm reception (the old plugins/addons didn't work and the cloud was just starting to take over) and then yea, it just died.

I have my gallery still online these days, with a fork so that PHP8 still works with it, but I've had to hide it behind an IP Access list now because I don't trust it being public facing anymore.

I don't mean to shit on this project, I hope it's massively successful. We need more awesome open source apps like this. But I've been burnt once already pouring my heart and soul into an open source image gallery so I'm not going to do it again.

In hindsight I wish I'd put all my photos in Flickr (I thought I was being so clever using Gallery) because it's stood the test of time that Gallery didn't. These days I use Google Photos, I can't see it going away anytime soon (though of course it's Google so who knows)

Sorry this rant is probably very offtopic. The product itself looks amazing and I DO hope it achieves the success that Gallery couldn't.

lxe
0 replies
1d2h

Looks polished!

ksvarma
0 replies
17h15m

Great work and finally I could take that step of bringing all the pictures together locally.

jojohack
0 replies
22h2m

This great, Thanks for sharing!

ggm
0 replies
1d1h

Does it have perceptual hash duplicate detection?

dohello
0 replies
18h45m

this is awesome!

blacklion
0 replies
23h49m

Is here any FOSS, self-hosting (single-user is Ok), alternative to flickr? With all its albums, collections, photostream, map, keywords, etc?

I'm looking at this Memories now, but I don't like first page, sorry, with all photos is small and divided with white spaces and dates...

But I don't need any metadata editing, AI and mobile apps, I need gallery for high-quality photos to view on big screens.

abhaynayar
0 replies
8h12m

Missed opportunity to call it FOTOSS.

XCSme
0 replies
10h0m

I have been using https://www.photoprism.app for a couple of years, and it works better than expected, with the latest updates it's actually quite fast and the face tagging works reasonably well.

28304283409234
0 replies
15h46m

Have been using it for a couple of months now! Wife and I love the album feature which helps us to maintain photo albums async.

It is a huge step up from the default photo's app in Nextcloud. Absolutely wonderful stuff.