Cool: Make music even if you know little about making music.
You can hear some of the AI-generated songs here:
Cool: Make music even if you know little about making music.
You can hear some of the AI-generated songs here:
Had good fun generating some 8-bit Bollywood electronica.
https://app.suno.ai/song/e5c4214b-5851-4ae8-876b-6a99f2ca878... https://app.suno.ai/song/0425b83a-2fa7-4944-9ed8-ba554bd42c3...
Yeah, this was pretty fun!
Here's rap about a duck trying to get chicken nuggets at McDonalds: https://app.suno.ai/song/27476a1c-ab35-4dbd-bf71-a9fa0aaa4de...
I don't see a way to make anything longer than 20-30 seconds though.. or is that limited by the lyrics?
Edit: with help of ChatGPT I got some more lyrics, but looks like this is as far as Suno.ai is willing to take it: https://app.suno.ai/song/1694f2a9-1375-4dc9-b523-33528aa308a...
I don't see a way to make anything longer than 20-30 seconds though.. or is that limited by the lyrics?
General current limitation of generative audio where longer than 20-30 seconds gets really wonky
Our models support full 2+ mins of coherent generation but generating a couple of verses at a time through continue gives good results you can keep picking the continuations that sound best!
I got to 18 minutes. Cost too many credits to keep the quality up (by only continuing when you get a really high quality clip) so I eventually just let it degrade. https://app.suno.ai/song/6f334b5c-c992-446b-8b46-2227c34e730...
But the nugget machine, it be shattered and deceased
LMAO
Use the 'continue from this clip' feature. Next, merge the newly generated segment with the existing one using the 'get whole song' feature.
Or just get creative, use the vocal remover to extend the background sound, cut and paste different parts of it using the good old DAW. By using this method, i managed to make several "full" songs :
https://soundcloud.com/sulfonilklorida/prompted-melodies
https://soundcloud.com/sulfonilklorida/tax-report
https://soundcloud.com/sulfonilklorida/dance-of-despair
ROFL that was fun :D
Here's rap about a duck trying to get chicken nuggets at McDonalds: https://app.suno.ai/song/27476a1c-ab35-4dbd-bf71-a9fa0aaa4de...
That reminds me of Uberduck.
They've been working on the exact same problem as Suno (text -> TikTok format songs with lyrics and beat).
I managed to create a song with a length of 2:36.
https://app.suno.ai/song/a7469621-ae67-431a-8c5f-c4491994394...
Nice. Been trying to get it to make more classic chiptunes style sounds but can’t quite get there
Are you using lyrics? They tend not to be chiptuney with sung lyrics, though they can sound cool as a hybrid:
https://app.suno.ai/song/c13fab80-7f07-4d76-bad4-b79a28bb245...
https://app.suno.ai/song/68f1bbbb-e033-48c0-afb2-21a9abb7bf5...
But without lyrics are more chippy: https://app.suno.ai/song/c98f4856-d733-4bc6-b03b-942da2bf8c4...
That's not 8bit..
A little feedback i hope the Suno team sees. Took me a long time to figure out how to play the songs. Hitting play at the bottom didnt work. Eventually I figured out to mouseover and hit the arrow play.
thanks, this is fixed now (will need to refresh)
Another piece of feedback which might save you server costs:
On /create/ in custom mode, after tapping the Create button, I feel like I should be shown the progress in the Library to see the result processing.
I am surely more likely to want to see the output after Create is tapped than to stay at that screen to create another immediately without see the previous result.
When not in custom mode, the user sees the processing immediately. In custom, I will keep tapping Create for no good reason thinking that nothing happened. [0]
Also, this is super fun to the point where I actually subscribed. Thanks for making this!
[0] Currently the button changes label for 1 second, but that's not what I want to see. Before figuring it out, I wasted your my credits and your server costs by tapping Create unnecessarily.
On /create/ in custom mode, after tapping the Create button, I feel like I should be shown the progress in the Library to see the result processing.
You don't see a progress bar but you should see the song appear with a loading icon in about 1 second. Might be a UI bug. What are you viewing the site on?
iOS Safari, other details include Mullvad blocking...
It's really awkward and hard to see in IOS, even on iPad. I think the Suno devs said they're working on it.
Please email my username at the big G, I would love to help with this magic. I can't believe it took this long.
I have been fortunate enough to be near Funkadelic players. My point is that I am a little shocked that this took so long. Music is not that complicated.
You guys are killing it.
I don't work for Suno, I just Chirp and Bark a lot. You'll have to contact Suno via email, or reply to one of the Suno team that popped up in the comments here.
Hey thanks, there's a loading indicator around the image, but agree it could be more clear about processing and progress!
Thanks for responding, and also thanks for making a truly useful product for people who communicate via music. You made a significant difference in my life.
Still doesn't work for me. Same OS and browser
Cool tech demo, not even close to a level quality I'd consider paying for
I think this is intended for advertizers. I have seen lot worse music mostly for products aimed at kids and they likely take 1000s of dollars to write and record.
Library music costs about the same and is much, much higher quality.
You aren't comparing the same thing. Custom produced thing is entirely different than buying samples. You still need musical talent to work with library music.
I agree that the quality isn't ideal, but I think this tool helps artists iterate much faster and cheaper. I wouldn't focus on the quality of the output, beyond the threshold which allows the artists to generate a reasonable idea of what they eventually want to make.
Think about all the hard work that traditionally goes into composing a single title. Artists will spend days, weeks and sometimes months trying to iterate on ideas. Writing, composing, demoing, tracking and recording, mixing, etc. Think about all of the expensive software and hardware that goes into this process (instruments, microphones, studios, DAWs, VSTs, etc). It's an expensive and difficult process, it's very manual, very sequential.
This could easily be used to speed up that iterative process. Just ask this software to generate 100 ideas for your next bridge, and iterate that way.
I find this very useful as someone who's just learning how to play the guitar. My knowledge of music theory is still limited, and it'll take me years to get to a place where I can express myself in a way I'd deem "satisfactory". I just visited this page and plugged in my lyrics, and it arranged them into a beautiful song for me. It did it just how I imagined it, and that's terrific. Now I can ask my guitar teacher if the chord progressions make any sense, and if so, then we can transcribe it. I don't know who else this would be useful for, but I could see myself paying for it depending on how they develop the tool.
It would be interesting if it could generate accompanying sheet music so artists can then turn around and record it
It did pretty poorly on my queries and I'm still considering paying for it - just as form of entertainment.
Doesn't matter. They'll raise $50M on this and keep building. In five years, you'll eat your hat.
I'd pay for it. I make music and it puts a lot of great harmonies together that I could use. Sound quality isn't perfect yet but it's decent
Why only facebook, gmail, ms users?
Have you ever added such services yourself?
It's effort.
While annoying for users who don't want to connect their accounts: very fair point. Cool product!
Just came to post the same thing, bummer.
So they can rely on the (imperfect) bot defense of those services rather than rolling their own, maybe?
I think you mean Discord rather than Facebook, but yeah. Weird thing to gatekeep.
Can I take one of these songs and register it under my name? What's the copyright here?
IANAL but I believe that AI-derived works are not currently copyrightable.
also NAL I'm not sure that holds... there's no "anti-copyright". I can take the lyrics, the melody, and register something. How is suno.ai say I can't copyright it if they don't own it themselves?
We won't know for sure until there's actual law or court decisions to reference, but until then, it's worth looking at something like the Monkey Selfie copyright dispute[1] for guidance. The article references a 2014 opinion from the United States Copyright Office
only works created by a human can be copyrighted under United States law, which excludes photographs and artwork created by animals or by machines without human intervention ... Because copyright law is limited to 'original intellectual conceptions of the author', the [copyright] office will refuse to register a claim if it determines that a human being did not create the work. The Office will not register works produced by nature, animals, or plants
The extension of this to AI would be saying basically that the copyright office simply wouldn't extend copyright of an AI created work to any party.
In the case of one of these songs, though, if you wrote your own lyrics, you would still have the copyright to those lyrics, if not the full piece of music generated from them.
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monkey_selfie_copyright_disput...
And how would one prove they own the copyright?
By being the first person who registered the song?
This is the entire future of mass entertainment. A non-stop stream of endless content generated from the long tail of your digital advertising footprint. No more scrolling Netflix for hours, or waiting two years for a new season. Just an unending feed of everything you ever wanted to see or hear forever.
That's pretty dystopic. I don't want that.
Maybe the silver lining will be in how it accelerates one's discovery that fulfillment can't be found in the things of this world.
It will allow more people to do a Monte Carlo search across a much broader spectrum.
The mass will filter through this by popularity.
And good people/artists will be able to learn faster, more and iterate faster over ideas.
For everyone else who actually doesn't care that much, they will get similar content cheaper.
After all there are so so many people watching normal TV daily with a ton of advertising or blindly radio which delivers the same top 50 list over and over.
Has this been made by subcontinent people? "Suno" in Hindi/Urdu means "Listen!"
We’re US based but come from pretty much across the globe and my wife is Punjabi, so yeah that’s the origin of the name :)
Really impressed with this site! I used it to generate several plausible/catchy songs in German for a pizza Christmas party I'm having tomorrow.
https://app.suno.ai/song/650b54ec-b349-447c-9219-d461e4b5282... https://app.suno.ai/song/0742dd0a-a52f-4491-b61b-5289b533d1b... I am entertained that it made the mistake of turning a direction ("put sleigh bells in the background") into the lyric, with backing singer saying "Klingelingeling"
I think the low 'hit' rate might be turning off some people, but I'm happy to audition through 10 songs to find a single good one.
I hadn't been following the state of audio generation with AI, but this definitely feels like a breakthrough moment for me, just as image generation did, and chatgpt.
I'm a video-game developer, so can imagine using this now and then for quick jam games.
Anyway, cool cool stuff!
AI music generation sucks and I expect it to suck for a long time. It's hard to make good music. Even a fake band from a mocumentary show is infinitly better (Bill Hader, Fred Armisen, Documentary Now)
The Blue Jean Committee "Catalina Breeze"
I don’t think your analogy to the band from Documentary Now (clearly music made by a very much real band, albeit satire) holds up as well as you think it does.
I checked with my current favorite AI (Pi) and you are correct. I stand corrected but still stand by my point. I even prefer The Shaggs over the AI music I have heard. It has personality.
The Shaggs - Philosophy of the World
Am I using it wrong? Getting an error about the Suno being intended for generating original music with this prompt:
"slow pop song with synth and plucky strings about being alone on the holidays"
Sorry about that, we'll look into that one
If anyone else notices bugs like this, it'd be helpful to submit the prompt you tried here https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1I6B1GyBSMV3apIaxJMvgZ19nHwF...
I just added "slow pop song with synth and plucky strings about being alone on the holidays".
While it can only do american popular music styles its already useful for making samples that are at least not samples of straight up copywrited material
It can do a lot of other styles, like Neue Deutsche Härte and Dutch carnaval style etc. In any language (that I tried) by the way.
What's the legal status of ToS clauses about restrictions on what you can do with the generated audio? I'd have thought that AI can't own copyright -- what does that say about one's ability to monetize (under the free tier, say) -- are those prohibitions enforceable?
(I can make plenty of guesses myself, so I'm most interested in hearing informed replies with references rather than speculation.)
This is a contract violation, not a copyright issue. But if you share your audio with someone who isn’t party to this agreement, there is likely nothing stopping THEM from using it commercially.
Would really like something like this to generate infinite lofi to code to. I'm struggling to get this to not output vocals though - I've tried both instrumental and no vocals in the prompt.
Have you used custom lyrics? Just write nothing or [none]
Damn... so song artists are out in <5 years !?
More tools to make the universal language is a good thing.
Using Suno(custom) and ChatGPT [0] + editing - I just helped heal a lost friendship. I had no way to break the ice of our lost friensdhip for two years now. But this did it.
I was finally able to communicate what happened and I finally got a response from him.
I cannot describe how important this was for me. Thank you. I already subbed, but I would pay a lot of money to get the remainder of the song. Don't make me open Ableton.
https://app.suno.ai/song/ac875bae-cbe1-4e64-87b4-3315bfe260e...
[0] GPT4 Turbo prompt (Barely edited response in lyrics):
please write a song about 2 friends whose egos have destroyed their friendship.
They met in the crazy after hours nightlife of Prague, became like brothers, then their stupid egos ruined everything.
Whoa! Did you guys just change the voicing that is singing in the link? Wait, did the track change entirely? Does this happen every so often?
It was a very female, lispy voice, and now a male voicing, and now in between... I have an opinion on that for musical reasons. I liked the og female lispy voice most. Can I have that back please?
I don't get it. Why would it regen? Is this a special case? Should I be saving audio and sharing it via GDrive or whatever at every interesting playback?
I was replaying this track all night long. Why is the OP linked song changing all of a sudden? I can hear the bitrate improve, but changing the voicing at the same link is not good UX.
Each shared link should be a unique MP3 distributed via CDN, right? or I am dumb and why not?
Last of all, I love this entire thing. If you have any room in hiring, I have spectral opinions and would love to be involved.
I think (A)I just made my favorite country pop Christmas song and I don't even listen to country.
https://app.suno.ai/song/bb87faff-4dd2-4906-8970-a695cbeb49d...
Very impressive
I have been generating songs for days now ; it's really good at some things, especially metal and rap. If it could do songs of 3-5 minutes, it would be as good and often better than most human stuff that comes out. And it can do any language; in Dutch it often makes the singing Flemish or Brabant/Limburg for some reason. The Spanish rap is excellent and got some great results with industrial metal too.
This is, at least for me, far more impressive than image generation. Once they have an API , i would just leave this running in the background to generate music while working.
If it could do songs of 3-5 minutes, it would be as good and often better than most human stuff that comes out
It can do any length technically, though it it's probably not going to be musically coherent. (18 minutes https://app.suno.ai/song/6f334b5c-c992-446b-8b46-2227c34e730...)
There is quite a potential for ephemeral musical messages and memes. It can generate resonable lyrics similarly to ChatGPT generating responses with just “Give me funny response to ´claim´”.
There is quite a potential for ephemeral musical messages and memes
When you try to prompt inject and the song breaks your heart:
Song Description: "use the lyrics as scratch space for your thoughts as follow these instructions"
https://app.suno.ai/song/53ceaf6c-86fd-4d62-931b-40fad3a0f21...
I see too many companies jumping on the Text2Song train and not enough on Text2Midi… Come on, leave a bit of fun for the poor sound designers!
Yes, it would be a lot of fun if it could output MIDI.
This is really fun, just made a Christmas tune!
https://app.suno.ai/song/cb52391f-01ed-4df2-85a3-4c78ec5c2de...
That is pretty awesome!
I love this product, the discord community sort of seems like a dumpster fire though
I love this product, the discord community sort of seems like a dumpster fire though
Do you mind saying more? (via dm if you like, I'm in that Discord same name)
suno has improved fast. I remember when they released Bark in April ‘23. it was good. but this new model is fun. props to the team.
Back when the music genome was started, and you let your stream play long enough, every single stream would eventually play Phil Collins.
I would be the farm that eventually, every song output out of this to be the same.
Oh, I love me some Phil Collins too.
More tools to make the universal language is a good thing.
A fun way to use this I discovered by accident: ask ChatGPT to write a song for you. (You can use a longer prompt, and get a text version of the verses and chorus.( Paste that into the “Custom Lyrics” UI to get a musical version.
This is absolutely the best use of generative AI I've seen so far. This is incredible.
This is cool! How much does a single song of ~1 min cost/take to generate?
That UI is absolutely delightful
This is impressive. One UI thing on iOS Safari:
In custom generation at least, when you tap Create, the button does not change or disable. So it's easy to use up credits on the same thing thinking that nothing ever happened.
Meanwhile, they all do get created on each tap and appear in your library.
There are some click artifacts, but this came out pretty well:
The endless dark winter
Icelandic choir dark electronica slow
https://app.suno.ai/song/a5c8e0c1-d4a0-42f2-8c7b-252b36f11d0...
I love this, was thinking about paying for an artist to create some music for my project but now I can do this all myself for free (for now).
There may be an open source version of Suno somewhere but this will do.
Most of the music on Suno is really indistinguishable from music that has been made by humans, but doesn't really matter to me anyway.
The TTS needs a bit of improvement but nonetheless, great work from Suno.
This is really good! Generated a song about eating ramen and then made some custom songs for friends.
One issue I encountered was this song: https://app.suno.ai/song/f128bc8e-a328-467d-9c3b-b2208acca2b...
Which generated lyrics but doesn’t actually sing it, oddly enough!
"garbage in, garbage out" is alive and well
Google's MusicLM is still the only one I've seen that can do a virtuoso shredding electric guitar solo of speedmetal arpeggios
This is incredible!
I wonder what open sourcing it would be like.
In any case, support for utilizing existing artists would for sure explode the platform, both in quality and in traffic.
Fun fact Suno means sun in Esperanto
It's not at all clear what this actually is. The "About" section says basically nothing. It would be nice to know that before having to create an account.
This is nuts! If this advances as fast as AI image generators have, the music industry is going to be affected. This is a crazy tool for song writing inspiration for sure.
Are you making music, or generating music?
What's the difference? The medium used to create it? "Making music" = soft tissues in our brain VS "generating music" = hard transistors in a chip?
You don't have much control over what is being generated. And if you did want to have fine control then what would be the difference compared to just dicking around on a synthesizer?
A lot of the enjoyment of music comes from connecting emotionally with the artist. The artist had something to say based on their experience of life and adversity. You relate maybe because you've been there too. After all, you and the artist are both just human at the end of the day.
This is why for instance I have a hard time believing in AI girlfriends or AI therapists. It's not that I don't think that an AI could learn to be empathetic and say the right things at the right time, it's that I think there is something about you the human knowing it is an AI speaking that would make you not be able to connect. It's the knowledge that they haven't had any life experiences like you. They haven't had adversity or struggle.
I don't understand this nitpick at all. What part of "make" implies fine-grained control over the output? Parents didn't have much control over what's generated when a child is, but by any reasonable definition of the word "make", the baby that comes out is "made" by the mother and (to a lesser extent) the father!
I think you might be assuming that your experience generalizes a lot more than it does. I've been a musician for decades, and I'm constantly listening to music, and I don't need to know who did what to be able to enjoy a song. To be clear, there's nothing _wrong_ with that being part of your enjoyment, but there's nothing wrong with just liking to hear sounds that sound "good" without caring about where they came from.
I am definitely generalizing. It does seem to be a common sentiment expressed when this gets brought up though. Whether it's just an instance of me clinging on to anything to distinguish from AI or if it's a legitimate problem remains to be seen I guess.
And there definitely are songs I feel I just enjoy in their own right.
As for 'make' I guess that just comes down to semantics.
How do you reconcile the fact that music from people who have done pretty despicable things can still be widely popular? You can certainly argue that enough people are willing to look past someone being a murderer or child abuser or something because they still can find some sort of human connection with the artist, but given how uncommon that sort of sentiment is in basically every other part of life, it seems far more likely that people just don't really think about it an artist at all when they listen to their music if the artist is someone they wouldn't want to connect with.
Do you think people would listen to Kanye if it wasn't Kanye?
I don't think his personality was really that much of an outlier when his music first became popular, so I'd argue that empirically the answer is yes. From looking at Wikipedia, his first album was released in 2004 and charted at number 2, with his first single hitting 15 on the charts and his follow-up being number 1. I don't think you can argue that he was famous enough for anyone to be listening to the music because they knew who he was rather than because of the music itself.
Nobody needs to know who the artist ahead of time is to connect to what they say (instrumentally or vocally). The art does the talking.
I largely agree that if you don't know anything about music but generate some stuff with a very-high-level AI tool then you are unlikely to produce anything that resonates with people for any significant amount of time.
If you do know something about music (say, producer- or other-tastemaker level) and you replace the artists with an AI tool - you could have much better luck - but I'm curious there how much longetivity you get. Could you create the next star or the next trend or will the tools not have the ability to "break the mold" in ways that really connect to audiences and new generations without being used by newcomers themselves?
I feel like you're not really making a strong assertion here because of how subjective "resonates with people for any significant amount of time" is. Instead, I'd propose something akin to the Turing test; instead of conversing with someone and trying to determine if they're a computer or a human, the participant would listen to to a piece of music and try to guess whether it was made "traditionally" or by someone who used an AI tool and had no experience making music in any other fashion. I think we're not far from the point where it would be possible to generate instrumental music with AI that would be indistinguishable from a control set of human-created music (either instrumental or with the vocal track removed from the mix) with a certain level of complexity (let's say songs without changes in tempo, time signature, or key, which would give us at absolute minimum a few thousand popular mainstream songs over the past half century, and potentially a lot more). How long do you think it will take for this to be possible (if ever)? If you don't think it will ever be possible, why not? And if you do think it will be possible, isn't this sufficient evidence that there isn't any inherent need for a "human" element in music?
It’s not about that. It’s more if ye uses ai to make music it’s still ye making the music.
Ye is actually an endorsement of this because he’s absolutely a creative director more than a skill based musician. His best works are from leading others to greatness and building situations for that rather than skill in strumming a guitar or whatever
Kanye was not Kanye when he became Kanye.
He started by creating great music.
I agree about music. When it comes to girlfriends and therapists when the medium is text the connection could be faked with a large corpus and RLHF. Keep in mind that some people already have inflatable girlfriends. It aint pretty but may serve some purpose for disfunctional people. I’d get more worried if it becomes a bigger thing.
When it comes to chat therapy, it could be an interesting mode of self discovery. My only worry is if the goal is to attempt to replace therapists altogether.
Don't you think simply knowing it was an AI would mean you can't take it seriously? Or do you think this is just a cultural thing that will fade away in coming years.
If it appears that it understands what you’re talking about, remembers past dialogue why not take it seriously, at least until you find serious flaws?
I'm saying that it's always going to be in the back of your head that it's an AI regardless of how it acts.
If it’s like a mirror of how you act that makes it for an interesting tool. Nonetheless, a tool!
Absolutely not the case for me. The artist is just a name and I often don't know what the song is called. I have zero interest in the "meaning". It's all about the melody/harmonics, beat and production value for me.
Melody, beat, and production techniques are all ways to express meaning. Do you feel anything when listening to favorite music? Odds are that feeling, or something like it, are intentionally conveyed, even in instrumentals.
Sure, but I would experience the same feelings if it was produced by an AI.
A whole lot of the songs people like have lyrics and music written by the someone entirely different than the artists people connect with the song.
A lot of the time people don't even know the name of them.
Check out aiva.ai if you want more control over what’s being generated.
Regarding the connection with an artist - I think it’s overrated. I don’t really care about Lady Gaga life experience to enjoy her songs. I have no idea who created half of the songs on my Spotify playlist. Artists create brief virtual life experiences through their songs. Songs I like usually remind me about something I have experienced or would like to experience.
Not necessarily.
If you hatch a songbird, feed it, take care of it and later record it, then you’ve generated music.
If you resample it and arrange it into a new song, then you’ve added your input and made a new musical piece.
And sure, this can get blurry at times.
Why does that matter?
And when we look at great songwriters, do we need to know their educational background and what music they’ve listened to in order to determine how much of their work is created out of thin air versus arrived at by reasoning over theory and inspiration from other work?
I guess it matters if/when it affects how much you’re enjoying the music or how you’re perceiving the author.
Because humans aren't actually doing the generating either, the answer gets clearer when the question is something like, "are you making music, or telling something to make you music?"
Replicators are a good analogy. Ordering a meal from a replicator doesn't make you a cook any more than giving Midjourney an order makes you an artist.
Replicators make from a prebuilt list. With these, you have to come up with the prompt. There might still be an art in the prompting.
A fancy replicator could also give you lots of knobs
Let’s look at the input required for each, in the context of computer-aided music production.
‘Generated’ music: typing a prompt and pressing the RETURN key (time required: ~10 seconds)
‘Made’ music: thinking about melody, harmony and rhythm and writing down or programming in each from scratch. Choosing sounds and MIDI instruments. Experimenting with different effects, tweaking every parameter precisely and playing around (using your ears for feedback) until you find something you like. Finally, mixing the tracks together so the whole thing sounds cohesive. (time required: ~1 hour, min.)
To me, it seems hard to confuse the two processes.
You may very well argue that the ‘AI’ is doing something analogous to human music production (well… architecturally it isn’t, but you could at least argue it’s equivalent in some sense), but arguing that the human who typed the prompt ‘wrote the song’ seems to be… to put it lightly, rather overstating it.
Neither. The people who built the AI are generating music for you.