Sad that he lost access to his marker space, and the equipment he used to make this project. I feel like hacker spaces, especially with industrial and metal working equipment, are on the decline. Am I over fitting on the tragedy of TechShop in the SF Bay area, or are folks observing this in other places too?
I live in a place where it didn't really take off like some regions. There are a few with some equipment, but whenever I really inquired it was kind of "we have it, but nobody can use it themselves".
I totally understand though. People don't realize how expensive precision metalworking stuff is. And that's before you start to insure the place.
For something like a really rigid CNC (not a desktop sized one or for wood), someone needs to come up with a reasonable cost machine that can hold thous and has a spindle that isn't stupidly overpriced.
CNC machines are roughly a commodity product, and the makers of CNCs are giving you the best they can on the price-quality-features curve. It's not that nobody is trying to give you great precision for cheap.
Right. Even a machine like the Tormach 440, which is pretty close to the minimal steel-cutting machine, contains nearly 200kg of cast iron. That, plus lead screws, motors, etc needed to move it around add up quickly.
A while back I looked into building my own, and ended up with a Tormach because I couldn't compete on price. There are a couple near that price point now, but going transformatively cheaper seems very hard.
Lathes are easier. The C4 class is both quite cheap and impressively capable (much more than the cheaper C3 mini lathe class).
Yeah, as a general rule, fewer moving parts makes a tool cheaper, and lathes are at one end while CNC mills are at the other.
I ran into the Maker Nexus booth at Maker Faire two months ago. The person I spoke to claimed that they were the successor of TechShop. I don't know if that's true, and I haven't used them, but it's worth checking out: https://www.makernexus.org/aboutus
it's a nonprofit, that's promising
It's unfortunate, but also not surprising. These cropped up in some of the most expensive real estate markets on the planet with no particularly good prospect for long-term sustainability.
At first, you have an influx of excited members, so it feels like you have a shot at it - but within a couple of years, most of them drop out. They either get discouraged, or they find their groove and really want the convenience and flexibility of working on their own schedule with their own tools that aren't abused by strangers.
If you want to run a Makerspace in Portland, Seattle, or in the SF Bay Area, you better have an endowment from a wealthy donor, a long-term government grant, or something of that sort.
I would assume that the market for makerspaces is mostly in the centers of cities, where people can't get a big project space for themselves without paying exorbitant amounts of money.
Of course, that market has other problems - cost and neighbors who don't want 24/7 power tool use - but it's better than the alternative where anyone serious about their hobby can easily build their own shop.
covid blow + capital costs on real estate has increased 3x over last year or so. it's expected.
It's global. Hacker spaces as a pay per use venue never made a financial sense. It's membership only coffee shop that caters to an ultra niche group, but can't charge the proportionately exorbitant amount that corresponds to the nicheness.
Tampa must be an exception. They’ve quadrupled the size of their space in the past few years, expanding into every adjacent unit in the building. It’s probably about 10,000 ft^2 now and still only $50/mo. Obviously rent is cheaper here.
It's definitely more than just SF.
Up here in Portland (well really the western suburbs) we had a rather ambitious TechShop start up about a decade and a half ago, but they didn't last a year. I made a decent sized donation at the start because I liked what they were doing, and took some great classes there on woodworking and CNC. The woodworking instructor in particular was really interesting as he was an old school pattern maker (patterns for casting) which involves different techniques than finish or furniture carpentry. He could build to 1/64" tolerances by using various combinations of sanders, including a stationary disc sander with a 1 yard diameter. That thing was a pretty cool piece of equipment.
Unfortunately I'm sad to say besides the finances they had some cultural issues. A few of the instructors went pretty heavy on the "boys club" style humor in a way that would clearly alienate a lot of women.
100% they're just not a profitable business
It's definitely happening across swaths of the US. Maker spaces have high positive externalities but low margins and require a lot of work and upkeep. With rent prices shooting through the roof and redevelopment taking cheap shop space offline maker spaces are getting squeezed out.
I find it heartbreaking but it seems inevitable. Not a lot of people want to keep an old building available for rent when they can sell the property for redevelopment into "luxury" apartments or condos.
I loved TechShop while it lasted, it was so great. They were two blocks away from me, I could treat it almost like "my shop", just walking over to do small tasks as I worked around the house.
But as others noted, it is not an attractive business. High fixed costs, you're significantly more optional than gym subscriptions to many people, and your best customers naturally tend to graduate to owning their own.
Omni Commons in Oakland is at a critical juncture in its history and we may lose the building in 2024. I was just at a rather passionate three hour meeting about it yesterday.
And then there was American Steel…
You’re not imagining things. It’s hard to sustain places like this when private equity firms are buying up all the land to build high end apartments.
Seems like everything in the bay area is shutting down, no?
Yeah, the London Hackspace lost their building as it was being demolished for new development in the area. They're currently trying to rebuild in a temporary location in Park Royal for anyone interested: https://wiki.london.hackspace.org.uk/view/London_Hackspace